This is a cool job, but the rules of the site say job posts go on the monthly hiring thread. There are lots of cool public-interest jobs opening every month, and if we had them all on the front page, the site would be little more than job ads.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Please do not post job ads as story submissions to HN.

If votes were all that mattered, there'd be a lot more cat pictures on the front page, too. This is the oldest argument on the site, and it is long-settled.

I read this a couple times and still don't follow it. Would a bunch of cites to the moderators saying what I just said help clear this up for you?

You needn't bother; I was being partially facetious.

Although, if you were prepared to do that you might have just done it to begin with. Or better yet, let the moderators deal with the post. The irony of myself getting involved certainly isn't lost on me.

Within bounds, they'd rather the community moderate itself. There aren't many moderators. The guidelines are in part an exercise in getting the community to reasonably handle most of this stuff autonomously.

Noodling meta is generally bad, but this story is actually inappropriate for the site, and I'm generally comfortable hijacking inappropriate stories for meta.

There are non-profit startups that really do geniune work. Do we let them pass? So many like DDG should we let them pass? What about Tor they do hire people to manage the project. Should we let that pass? What about research on cancer? Not saying LE is not important to get a little notice (it’s probably hard for anyone to notice their career page or whatnot to be honest), but we should be fair.

Yes, happy to let the org types you mentioned pass. Their benefit outweighs the hassle of someone hiding or skipping a post.

Then we should now start fetching them begin to post them on HN. There is a reason we don’t do that because we can have maybe a hundred to post here as independent submissions. It is lucky enough there is whoishiring submission every month. This is not a job posting website. If people really believe in this pass. I will start posting a dozen of them, you cool? Let’s not make an exception from an exception.

HN is funded by a venture and they have the right to promote startups they have funded. That is something we cannot change. I don’t agree with certain rules on HN but what can I do?

I am arguing we can’t turn this site into a job website simply because we make exception for the so-called “public benefits”.

I generally love Let's Encrypt and what they stand for, but the subjective measure of "public good" is a dangerously slippery slope.

Let's Encrypt is a part of the Internet Security Research Group and is literally a Public-Benefit Organization in California.

Still a subjective measure in some way I suppose, but they are not for profit and I think it would be hard to argue that the organization is not a benefit to the public.

There are plenty of organizations that are incorporated as Public-Benefit Organizations that might still be considered objectionable to get a free pass on hiring posts.

The first line on the page peaked my interest:

> All of our positions are remote and we can only hire in the United States and Canada.

I assume there is a fair amount of security involved in the day-to-day sysadmin work of a CA. I wonder what kind of work environment their sysadmins have, in terms of secure computing, VPN (or something BeyondCorp-like), etc..

*piqued

It's mind blowing to me how much LE gets done with such a tiny team. Hats off to them, they've done a ton of good for the PKI world.

I actually thought Mozilla was behind running the infrastructure the whole time. Or perhaps I would think sponsors likr Mozilla and Facebook would have dedicate someone full time to help running the environment.

And yet they can’t do something as simple as year long certs

Because they didn't want to.

my god a sysadmin job post I can't remember the last time I saw one of these

It's just been renamed. You can see the job description has all the tick boxes for "devops".