Ifixit does not like the Switch 2 pro controller

[gronik]

While I get that they are a repair site. Calling it a cash grab is click bait and disingenuous. Yes from a repair point it is sub par, but how many people get or need repairs on their pro controllers? Very few.

How do you know that? Pro controller (1) suffers from stick drift just like the joycon do.
And at some point down the line, your controller needs to have it battery changed. You'd have thought after all the controversy in recent years about being able to replace a battery in your device, that Nintendo would have the forethought to address this.

A cash grab implies that you are being scammed into spending money on something that isn't worth the value and won't hold up.

from wiki (find me a better source): "(derogatory) A product designed primarily or solely with the intent of generating profits or money."
Doesn't imply the scam bit, but it does imply that that its could be poorly made and not worth the value, which when we consider the price increase and then how the quality (from ifixits perspective) doesn't hold up, them calling it a cash grab, is... fair.

So unless there is evidence that the pro controllers are breaking at abnormally high rates, that phrasing is designed to get clicks which frankly, is to be expected.

Not really, if its hard to fix what they are saying is fair. How long has the Switch 2 been out, just over a month. Even if the controller may be hard to fix, you'd expect it to have lasted longer than that. This isn't about the pro controller (1) its about the pro controller 2. For all we know, pro controller 1 may be easier to fix.

Most media companies create click bait titles for most things. Clicks are how they get money. To pretend that they aren't trying to make money with their articles is silly.

Yes all media companies try to make money with their articles, i don't think anyone has denied that? Calling it click bait though, is just a way to say "this isn't true" and then be able to dismiss it. To call it click bait is silly.

It is rare to see articles that don't have click baity titles these days.

ok

Mario Kart world is definitely dividing players and I'm a huge Mario Kart fan so I'll wait for a used cartridge and see how I like it.

be careful about using second hand games on it though, and make sure you have your receipts if you do:

​

AVERT YOUR EYES! It must be one of those nasty "click baity" mean things again that just isn't true...

"Got banned and unbanned after simply downloading patches for 4 Switch 1 games I bought from Facebook marketplace.
If you get banned, go here https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/contact and under Talk to a human select Start Chat. It's fast, painless, and you get a live person helping you!
So much easier than getting support from Microsoft or Sony."

But hey, atleast its better than when Microsoft and Sony ban you... "Balance" remember!

Again, its about balance. If I get on these boards and ONLY talk negatively about Nintendo at all times, facts or not, people are going to get annoyed with me. You were doing that for a while and as I said, not as much now. But for a while, it was constant.

For a while, there was alot of negative information to talk about, regarding Switch 2.

 

[jman1115]

How do you know that? Pro controller (1) suffers from stick drift just like the joycon do.
And at some point down the line, your controller needs to have it battery changed. You'd have thought after all the controversy in recent years about being able to replace a battery in your device, that Nintendo would have the forethought to address this.

from wiki (find me a better source): "(derogatory) A product designed primarily or solely with the intent of generating profits or money."
Doesn't imply the scam bit, but it does imply that that its could be poorly made and not worth the value, which when we consider the price increase and then how the quality (from ifixits perspective) doesn't hold up, them calling it a cash grab, is... fair.

Not really, if its hard to fix what they are saying is fair. How long has the Switch 2 been out, just over a month. Even if the controller may be hard to fix, you'd expect it to have lasted longer than that. This isn't about the pro controller (1) its about the pro controller 2. For all we know, pro controller 1 may be easier to fix.

Yes all media companies try to make money with their articles, i don't think anyone has denied that? Calling it click bait though, is just a way to say "this isn't true" and then be able to dismiss it. To call it click bait is silly.

ok

Click bait isn't just about whether its true. It can also be exaggerated. Which, if the Pro Controller 2 is anything like one, this is an exaggerated take on the controller. While Pro 1 can get drift, it isn't nearly the rate at which the joy cons get it. Every controller gets it with enough wear and tear over time. The reality is that the vast majority of pro controllers will not get to a point where they need to be fixed, and if they do, it will have been after many years of wear and tear. The ability to open up the controller and try to fix it is only appealing to a very niche segment of the gaming population. It just isn't worth the investment and if the controllers are so bad that they break all of the time, I just won't buy them anymore and Ill return them like I did my joy cons.

I have not gotten the impression yet (and it is early to be fair) that this is the pro 2's issue.

If these things end up being junk and die within a year, or start getting drift. Then hell yeah they are a cash grab. I had 3 pair of joy cons and all of them got drift, were repaired by Nintendo and got drift again. My pro controller 1 has been stellar and is the only thing I will use.

If the only criticism of the pro 2 is that it is a pain to open up and fix, but it is durable, rarely gets drift and has the strengths + more of Pro 1 then I don't see that is enough to call it a cash grab. I cannot open up my phone easily and replace the battery or repair it either these days, doesn't make them a cash grab. My phone doesn't need that all the time, and by the time it wears out I just get a new one which is how most people I believe approach controllers.

To most people this is simply not a major negative or not negative enough to refer to the controller in such extremes. Frustrating for those who like to tinker on their controllers for sure though.

 

[gronik]

Click bait isn't just about whether its true.

Does ifixit think its a good quality controller? No. You said "Most media companies create click bait titles for most things. Clicks are how they get money. To pretend that they aren't trying to make money with their articles is silly."
If you say that most media companies create click bait titles for most things because they are trying to make money, then what virtue does labeling it as click bait have? Do they think its actually a good quality controller? No.
Since we seem happy to generalise, most people think click bait means the thing your clicking on doesn't align with the actual content of the article video. In this case, they literally say in the video its a cash grab. Thats their opinion based on the repairability of the controller.

It can also be exaggerated. Which, if the Pro Controller 2 is anything like one, this is an exaggerated take on the controller. While Pro 1 can get drift, it isn't nearly the rate at which the joy cons get it. Every controller gets it with enough wear and tear over time.

Not if they use hall effect sticks, similar to what Dreamcast controller used... nearly 30 years ago.

The reality is that the vast majority of pro controllers will not get to a point where they need to be fixed, and if they do, it will have been after many years of wear and tear.

mate how do you know this? Based on what, your hopes and dreams?
Look at a repair of the xbox pro controller:

​

and then the dual sense edge:

​

Notice something similar about both controllers? you don't have to completely take it apart just to replace the battery.
The reality is, that after so long of using ANY controller, the battery is going to need to be replaced.

The ability to open up the controller and try to fix it is only appealing to a very niche segment of the gaming population.

Or, like, anyone that wants to replace a failing battery.

It just isn't worth the investment and if the controllers are so bad that they break all of the time, I just won't buy them anymore and Ill return them like I did my joy cons.

ok

I have not gotten the impression yet (and it is early to be fair) that this is the pro 2's issue.

Being easy to repair should be an issue of any controller, wtf mate.

If these things end up being junk and die within a year, or start getting drift. Then hell yeah they are a cash grab.

wow, okay. You do you buddy.

I had 3 pair of joy cons and all of them got drift, were repaired by Nintendo and got drift again. My pro controller 1 has been stellar and is the only thing I will use.

If the only criticism of the pro 2 is that it is a pain to open up and fix, but it is durable, rarely gets drift and has the strengths + more of Pro 1 then I don't see that is enough to call it a cash grab.

thats your opinion and thats perfectly fine. That isn't the opinion of ifixit, but thats also perfectly fine.
At the end of the day, noone listens or cares about what anyone online thinks, so what you or ifixit say doesn't matter in the slightest

I cannot open up my phone easily and replace the battery or repair it either these days, doesn't make them a cash grab.

The right to repair controversy appears to disagree with you, and the bulk of texas by proxy lol. oh look, heres a video by ifixit explaining it to you:

​

My phone doesn't need that all the time, and by the time it wears out I just get a new one which is how most people I believe approach controllers.

Don't forget, most people aren't like you king. Your in the 1% in your state, your above us meer mortals. You can afford to upgrade your phone when the battery starts cheesing or a software upgrade makes it perform worse, the rest of us surfs just have to grin and bare it. But atleast you can contribute to more e-waste, thanks king.

To most people this is simply not a major negative or not negative enough to refer to the controller in such extremes.

most people aren't repair sites. Ifixit is. shrugs.

Frustrating for those who like to tinker on their controllers for sure though.

or anyone that wants to replace the battery.

 

[fenixazul]

Has someone tried the compatibility of the Switch 2 Pro Controller with STEAM? I use my Switch Pro controller mostly for playing Steam on my PC

 

[jman1115]

Does ifixit think its a good quality controller? No. You said "Most media companies create click bait titles for most things. Clicks are how they get money. To pretend that they aren't trying to make money with their articles is silly."
If you say that most media companies create click bait titles for most things because they are trying to make money, then what virtue does labeling it as click bait have? Do they think its actually a good quality controller? No.
Since we seem happy to generalise, most people think click bait means the thing your clicking on doesn't align with the actual content of the article video. In this case, they literally say in the video its a cash grab. Thats their opinion based on the repairability of the controller.

Not if they use hall effect sticks, similar to what Dreamcast controller used... nearly 30 years ago.

mate how do you know this? Based on what, your hopes and dreams?
Look at a repair of the xbox pro controller:

​

and then the dual sense edge:

​

Notice something similar about both controllers? you don't have to completely take it apart just to replace the battery.
The reality is, that after so long of using ANY controller, the battery is going to need to be replaced.

Or, like, anyone that wants to replace a failing battery.

ok

Being easy to repair should be an issue of any controller, wtf mate.

wow, okay. You do you buddy.



thats your opinion and thats perfectly fine. That isn't the opinion of ifixit, but thats also perfectly fine.
At the end of the day, noone listens or cares about what anyone online thinks, so what you or ifixit say doesn't matter in the slightest

The right to repair controversy appears to disagree with you, and the bulk of texas by proxy lol. oh look, heres a video by ifixit explaining it to you:

​

Don't forget, most people aren't like you king. Your in the 1% in your state, your above us meer mortals. You can afford to upgrade your phone when the battery starts cheesing or a software upgrade makes it perform worse, the rest of us surfs just have to grin and bare it. But atleast you can contribute to more e-waste, thanks king.

most people aren't repair sites. Ifixit is. shrugs.

or anyone that wants to replace the battery.

I don't need a double blind placebo controlled study to understand that most people don't take their electronics apart and try to fix them. This isn't rocket science and you are being disingenuous trying to imply that it isn't a niche crowd that does that, especially with gaming controllers that rarely break.

Is there a crowd that does? Of course. I'm one of them. I do my own plumbing, electric work etc. And guess what? Most people don't do those things. There is a reason plumbers exist and electricians. For an 80 dollar controller most people will just get a new one if it faults on them five years later. It isn't worth the time to tinker. I enjoy the process so I do it.

There is a reason that when they started sodering phones that some people complained but no one boycotted phones. Now it is the standard. Just as most people will not boycott the switch 2 pro controller over this.

I'm also not naive enough to think out of the hundreds of millions of gamers that most of them are like me. I like tinkering. A lot could care less.

Ifixit is a repair site. End of the day, as I have said, they aren't wrong that it is harder to repair and that is shitty. Their use of cash grab based solely on that however is out of touch. You can defend it as is your right but I just don't see this being an issue that most people are going to give two shits about and you won't hear an uproar or see a boycott of the controller. It will sell just fine and people will be happy with it which contradicts the idea of a cash grab. The controller is not poorly designed for it's intended function. Playing games. And as long as it doesn't break easily and gets a good life span all of this will be absolutely moot. Given Nintendo's track record outside of joy cons with durability I have no reason to assume otherwise at this time.

 

[Ahmed1000]

Does ifixit think its a good quality controller? No. You said "Most media companies create click bait titles for most things. Clicks are how they get money. To pretend that they aren't trying to make money with their articles is silly."
If you say that most media companies create click bait titles for most things because they are trying to make money, then what virtue does labeling it as click bait have? Do they think its actually a good quality controller? No.
Since we seem happy to generalise, most people think click bait means the thing your clicking on doesn't align with the actual content of the article video. In this case, they literally say in the video its a cash grab. Thats their opinion based on the repairability of the controller.

Not if they use hall effect sticks, similar to what Dreamcast controller used... nearly 30 years ago.

mate how do you know this? Based on what, your hopes and dreams?
Look at a repair of the xbox pro controller:

​

and then the dual sense edge:

​

Notice something similar about both controllers? you don't have to completely take it apart just to replace the battery.
The reality is, that after so long of using ANY controller, the battery is going to need to be replaced.

Or, like, anyone that wants to replace a failing battery.

ok

Being easy to repair should be an issue of any controller, wtf mate.

wow, okay. You do you buddy.



thats your opinion and thats perfectly fine. That isn't the opinion of ifixit, but thats also perfectly fine.
At the end of the day, noone listens or cares about what anyone online thinks, so what you or ifixit say doesn't matter in the slightest

The right to repair controversy appears to disagree with you, and the bulk of texas by proxy lol. oh look, heres a video by ifixit explaining it to you:

​

Don't forget, most people aren't like you king. Your in the 1% in your state, your above us meer mortals. You can afford to upgrade your phone when the battery starts cheesing or a software upgrade makes it perform worse, the rest of us surfs just have to grin and bare it. But atleast you can contribute to more e-waste, thanks king.

most people aren't repair sites. Ifixit is. shrugs.

or anyone that wants to replace the battery.

My launch day March 2017 Pro controller is still in great condition and working perfectly fine. This is after years and years of heavy use, especially with Smash. Never got stick drift and never replaced the battery.

The majority of people will not replace their controller batteries for the life of the controller.

If the Pro 2 is essentially better than the already amazing Pro 1 in every way, then that's why you're seeing these clickbait responses. Because that's ultimately what it is - clickbait.

Here's an example of a non-clickbait title:

"The Pro Controller 2 is much more difficult to repair compared to the Pro Controller 1."

 

[gmcube]

Has someone tried the compatibility of the Switch 2 Pro Controller with STEAM? I use my Switch Pro controller mostly for playing Steam on my PC

Last I heard it doesn't work yet. But neither did the switch pro controller at launch, right?

 

[fenixazul]

Last I heard it doesn't work yet. But neither did the switch pro controller at launch, right?

Ah well, I trust in Valve

 

[bpapa2016]

The funniest thing about this fake controversy is that it’s just another example of people being willfully ignorant of the amazing and insightful piece of business that is Welcome Tour. There’s an entire section of the game about the design decisions they made for the Pro Controller 2 to make it easier and more pleasurable to use. But many miss out because of their weird principles that keeps… an extra $10 in their pocket.

When Nintendo developed this product they gave absolute zero fucks about repairability - and thank god because it’s all the better for it. It plays like a dream and has stellar features.

 

[gronik]

I don't need a double blind placebo controlled study to understand that most people don't take their electronics apart and try to fix them.

there you go generalising again.

This isn't rocket science and you are being disingenuous trying to imply that it isn't a niche crowd that does that, especially with gaming controllers that rarely break.

doesn't have to break to want to be able to easily change the battery.

Is there a crowd that does? Of course. I'm one of them. I do my own plumbing, electric work etc. And guess what? Most people don't do those things.

false equivalence, nice /s

There is a reason plumbers exist and electricians.

my dude, you don't have to be a professional to swap a battery, particularly not if they just do what every other (including Nintendo up to now) company does and just put the battery in an easy to reach place.

For an 80 dollar controller most people will just get a new one if it faults on them five years later.

Yeah, adding to more ewaste again.

It isn't worth the time to tinker.

lol not replacing a battery isn't worth it? What a joke take to have. Battery which probably costs $15 at the most, or a brand new controller that costs $80 (maybe more by then if ol' Trumpy baby's tariffs work wonders )

enjoy the process so I do it.

ok.

There is a reason that when they started sodering phones that some people complained but no one boycotted phones.

who is talking about boycotting anything? Ifixit said they think it the controller sucks because its hard(er) to fix, than Nintendo's previous (cheaper) pro controller. Its their opinion, get over it already.

Now it is the standard.

Which is why right to repair is a serious thing. Keep up. And its a terrible standard xD

Just as most people will not boycott the switch 2 pro controller over this.

Again, noone is asking anyone to boycott it. Ifixit didn't say "everyone don't buy this!" but i'm guessing you didn't even watch the video and just formulated an opinion based on a lack of evidence, funny that, not listening... at the end of the video they say "alot of these controller are just going to end up as ewaste, but it doesn't have to be that way, Nintendo give us a call" they are doing what they think is best, and trying to address potential issues before they come back to bite Nintendo in the arse (again).

I'm also not naive enough to think out of the hundreds of millions of gamers that most of them are like me.

no, your in the 1% bro, your better than everyone else.

I like tinkering. A lot could care less.

ok.

Ifixit is a repair site.

yep

End of the day, as I have said, they aren't wrong that it is harder to repair and that is shitty.

yep

Their use of cash grab based solely on that however is out of touch.

nope

You can defend it as is your right but I just don't see this being an issue that most people are going to give two shits about and you won't hear an uproar or see a boycott of the controller.

didn't say it was that much of an issue myself, i said that its not click bait. your putting words and meaning that i never said. I'm not even defending their take, i'm saying that its not clickbait. jesus.

It will sell just fine and people will be happy with it which contradicts the idea of a cash grab.

People can enjoy something that is still a cash grab. Something can be overpriced and technically not worth it.

The controller is not poorly designed for it's intended function.

ifixits review isn't about whether it plays well with games, its about how easy or not it is to fix. wow.

Playing games.

uhuh.

And as long as it doesn't break easily and gets a good life span all of this will be absolutely moot.

not really, because even if it doesn't break easily (it uses the same analogue sticks as in switch 1, so drift is still going to be an issue) its battery is going to become less and less usable until it needs to be replaced, and thanks to Nintendo's design they've made that about as hard as they possibly could. Thanks big N /s

Given Nintendo's track record outside of joy cons with durability I have no reason to assume otherwise at this time.

ok.

 

[Wes68]

And when your system costs $500 and peripherals are now more expensive than ever? I feel the issue of repairability is a fair concern. I mean how many of us got Stick drift on Switch 1? (I'd ask for a show of hands if I could see them). But I think most of us here did.

I got tired with stick drift and I spent the $30 to order hall effect sticks for my joycons and haven't had issue since. I think it's also a concern of hardware being designed to fail. They have had 8 years and are still using the same dogshit sticks that are prone to drift in the joycons.

In terms of Ergonomics and feel? I'm sure the Pro 2 controller is great in that regard. But if any controller is piss poor? I'd say it's the joycons...again. Using them as mice is cool. But those sticks coupled with poor ergonomics I feel hold them back.

The one area where I would slightly disagree is the notion of a cash grab. While I feel Nintendo may be making hardware designed to fail (sticks)? I think it is a good thing we can at least use our old controllers. I used my 8bitDo Pro 2 and it worked fine on Switch 2. It's a cheaper controller and I don't feel the need to plunk down $85 for a Switch 2 Pro controller.

And for those who haven't? I recommend watching the teardown video.


Note that he specifically highlights the Pro controller is using the same potentiometers that are found in the joycons and that are drift prone. So if you wanted to just swap them for hall effect sticks? Not exactly an easy task. that's around 3:12 in the video.

If your sticks in a pro controller drift? You either will end up doing 1 of three things.

1. Send it into Nintendo to repair. (if they offer free repair of these).
2. Buy a new $85+tax Controller as a replacement
3. Look to repair it yourself. (likely with hall effect sticks if possible).

He also notes battery replacement is absurdly difficult to replace as well.

This Pro 2 has been universally praised.

This is pure clickbait.

You have to understand that iFixit is primarily concerned with repair. Not how the controller is in hand. I mean, it's kind of their thing to show how to repair various hardware. Their biggest gripe is that it's difficult to repair. A criticism they also levied against the Joy-Cons because Nintendo glued the battery in. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is clickbait.

If someone is concerned with being able to repair their own hardware? This is information that is good to know before plunking down $85 on a controller. Especially if the sticks begin to drift. What would you rather do? Order a set of replacement sticks for $25-30 or buy a brand new controller for $85+Tax. Ifixit also approaches hardware from the standpoint of how it "repairable" something is to an average consumer.

 

[jazlar]

I feel the new Pro controller is as good or better than the last one, except for feel. I still don't like how smooth it feels and there being no grip on the back. Some sort of grip would have helped. D-pad seems better to me so far, though I have not used it a ton. Mine had issues on the Switch version. I'm not a fan of the buttons on the back, but they are optional - and they didn't exist on the original. The rest of the buttons feel a bit better to me. I never had drifting issues on my original pro, but I did have plenty of joy-cons experience drift.

Overall, I feel Nintendo is still behind Sony and Microsoft with their controllers, but they have closed the gap slightly. Microsoft is still in the #1 spot for me.

 

[hbguy311]

From reviews I've read on places like Reddit, Nintendo didn't really improve HD rumble that much especially on pro controller 2. In case you haven't tried the dualsense for PS5, it is awesome. I wish Nintendo would have at least tried to copy how awesome it is if they couldn't figure out how to beat it. It's also extremely disappointing it still doesn't have analog triggers. I don't know why Nintendo hates them so much. I believe GameCube is their only controller to ever have them.

 

[bpapa2016]

From reviews I've read on places like Reddit, Nintendo didn't really improve HD rumble that much especially on pro controller 2. In case you haven't tried the dualsense for PS5, it is awesome. I wish Nintendo would have at least tried to copy how awesome it is if they couldn't figure out how to beat it. It's also extremely disappointing it still doesn't have analogue triggers. I don't know why Nintendo hates them so much. I believe GameCube is their only controller to ever have them.

If only there was a low-cost piece of software that allowed people to test the full potential of HD Rumble 2 in a wide variety of scenarios…

 

[Ahmed1000]

From reviews I've read on places like Reddit, Nintendo didn't really improve HD rumble that much especially on pro controller 2. In case you haven't tried the dualsense for PS5, it is awesome. I wish Nintendo would have at least tried to copy how awesome it is if they couldn't figure out how to beat it. It's also extremely disappointing it still doesn't have analogue triggers. I don't know why Nintendo hates them so much. I believe GameCube is their only controller to ever have them.

As a user of the OG Pro for 8 years, the HD rumble is much better on the Pro 2. Way more pronounced. Is it PS5 level? No. But it's still great and a nice improvement over the OG.

As for the triggers, I agree. Nintendo said in an interview they believe digital are better, so it's likely not going to change. It is what is. At the end of the day, it's a non issue for about 99% of games.

 

[hbguy311]

As a user of the OG Pro for 8 years, the HD rumble is much better on the Pro 2. Way more pronounced. Is it PS5 level? No. But it's still great and a nice improvement over the OG.

As for the triggers, I agree. Nintendo said in an interview they believe digital are better, so it's likely not going to change. It is what is. At the end of the day, it's a non issue for about 99% of games.

My point is that Nintendo should have been able to beat a 5 year old dualsense especially when they are charging $10 more MSRP for it. Also, it's not 99 percent of games that don't use analog triggers. Stop exaggerating. They can improve plenty of games.

 

[CCMASTERMIND]

Yes it can , I mean unless you’re somebody who grips super tight exactly where those little buttons are on the bottom lol .

i use these things primarily to play fighting games on other platforms. a tight grip around the back might be necessary at certain times in certain games. i need to be able to hold a controller in a solid fashion without having my middle fingers and ring fingers causing the surface beneath to move inward. i bought a turtle beach recon controller with back buttons and had to return it the very next day. back buttons should be positioned in an area that is not often touched such as the back center or the area slightly below the rear shoulders.

 

[e1622]

i use these things primarily to play fighting games on other platforms. a tight grip around the back might be necessary at certain times in certain games. i need to be able to hold a controller in a solid fashion without having my middle fingers and ring fingers causing the surface beneath to move inward. i bought a turtle beach recon controller with back buttons and had to return it the very next day. back buttons should be positioned in an area that is not often touched such as the back center or the area slightly below the rear shoulders.

The back buttons are really low down in a place. You’re not usually holding the controller.

I haven’t clicked it at all accidentally.

 

[_psilo_]

But it clearly is. Read the article. Calling it "piss poor" and a "cash grab" is the definition of clickbait.

Same goes for OP...like the majority of his threads...you're just choosing not see it or like to tag along.

Even funnier is the majority of ppl responding to this thread dont even own a Switch 2, let alone a Pro 2 lol.


From what I've actually experienced, you know because I own one, it's not perfect but still a major improvement over the OG Pro.

I even use it when I play SF6, which is saying something.

I have one. The DPad is one of the worst I've ever used. The only one I've tried that's even worst is the one on the Switch 1 controller. Playing Blasphemous, it was super hard to not constantly do diagonals by mistake. Honestly, being used to play fighting games with a Xbox controller, I'm not sure I even want to try playing the game with this controller...

As for the lack of repairability, it is very much disappointing, especially considering how often I've had Nintendo controllers break on me in the past few years.

That said, apart from the DPad, I really like the controller. The vibration feels great, the build quality is top notch, and I like how they've set up the back buttons. I still prefer the Xbox's controller ergonomics though. I think this one makes my hands hurt a bit after a while, but less so than the terribly designed PS5's controller.

 

[Ahmed1000]

I have one. The DPad is one of the worst I've ever used. The only one I've tried that's even worst is the one on the Switch 1 controller. Playing Blasphemous, it was super hard to not constantly do diagonals by mistake. Honestly, being used to play fighting games with a Xbox controller, I'm not sure I even want to try playing the game with this controller...

As for the lack of repairability, it is very much disappointing, especially considering how often I've had Nintendo controllers break on me in the past few years.

That said, apart from the DPad, I really like the controller. The vibration feels great, the build quality is top notch, and I like how they've set up the back buttons. I still prefer the Xbox's controller ergonomics though. I think this one makes my hands hurt a bit after a while, but less so than the terribly designed PS5's controller.

If the Pro 2's dpad is one of the worst you've ever used, then you haven't used many controllers, but to each their own.

 

[_psilo_]

If the Pro 2's dpad is one of the worst you've ever used, then you haven't used many controllers, but to each their own.

I've used pretty much all the first party controllers of the past 15 years, and ALL the Nintendo controllers except for the WiiU's.

Now my memory isn't perfect and I don't remember how some of the older Nintendo Dpads felt, but this is the first time I remember struggling that much controlling a character in a metroidvania/2dplatformer. As for the other first party companies, the dualsense and Xbox controllers have waaaay better dpads.

Admittedly, I don't buy third party controllers so I wasn't really taking those into account.

 

[jman1115]

I've used pretty much all the first party controllers of the past 15 years, and ALL the Nintendo controllers except for the WiiU's.

Now my memory isn't perfect and I don't remember how some of the older Nintendo Dpads felt, but this is the first time I remember struggling that much controlling a character in a metroidvania/2dplatformer. As for the other first party companies, the dualsense and Xbox controllers have waaaay better dpads.

Admittedly, I don't buy third party controllers so I wasn't really taking those into account.

I was going to say that I haven't noticed an issue with the d pad but when I think about it, I don't think I use it much. I have adapted to using joysticks for everything.

 

[gmcube]

I'm actually trying to think of the last time they made a decent D-Pad. Maybe it was the wii mote? I didn't like the remote form factor, but the d-pad itself seemed pretty solid.

 

[_psilo_]

I was going to say that I haven't noticed an issue with the d pad but when I think about it, I don't think I use it much. I have adapted to using joysticks for everything.

I would never play a fighting game with joysticks, and I have a preference for dPads for 2D platformers. Being able to ''click'' once in a direction to make a precise ''one unit'' of movement is crucial for some platforming imho.

 

[jman1115]

I would never play a fighting game with joysticks, and I have a preference for dPads for 2D platformers. Being able to ''click'' once in a direction to make a precise ''one unit'' of movement is crucial for some platforming imho.

I don't play fighting games outside of smash bros these days so for me I don't use it much. That makes sense though.

 

[Elaisse4]

I would never play a fighting game with joysticks, and I have a preference for dPads for 2D platformers. Being able to ''click'' once in a direction to make a precise ''one unit'' of movement is crucial for some platforming imho.

I can understand fighters, though I play all 2D platformers with the joystick and have little issue.

 

[Ahmed1000]

I've used pretty much all the first party controllers of the past 15 years, and ALL the Nintendo controllers except for the WiiU's.

Now my memory isn't perfect and I don't remember how some of the older Nintendo Dpads felt, but this is the first time I remember struggling that much controlling a character in a metroidvania/2dplatformer. As for the other first party companies, the dualsense and Xbox controllers have waaaay better dpads.

Admittedly, I don't buy third party controllers so I wasn't really taking those into account.

Curious, what is your opinion on the PS5 dpad?

 

[_psilo_]

Curious, what is your opinion on the PS5 dpad?

I sold my PS5 a few months ago so I can't check.. but from what I remember... it feels mushy but not in a way that hampered gameplay for me, and I didn't have crazy problems with diagonals. It is widely used by pros in the fighting game scene so even if I hear it has its issues, I guess it's not too bad. That said, I don't like the controller for ergonomic reasons (I think the grips should be more angled outward, which is also a problem with the Pro controller but not as bad).

Personally I think the Xbox' Series controller's dPad is the absolute best, though it's very noisy.

 

[CCMASTERMIND]

I'm actually trying to think of the last time they made a decent D-Pad. Maybe it was the wii mote? I didn't like the remote form factor, but the d-pad itself seemed pretty solid.

the wiiu gamepad is the best in all areas. it is a masterpiece of a controller.

 

[gmcube]

the wiiu gamepad is the best in all areas. it is a masterpiece of a controller.

It has a the worst grip ever, which is odd considering how big the thing is. They dont give you enough to grip onto, its pretty shallow.

 

[CCMASTERMIND]

It has a the worst grip ever, which is odd considering how big the thing is. They dont give you enough to grip onto, its pretty shallow.

well, it is a relatively large input device because it features a screen designed for viewing bigbudget games, so it does not have the grips of a typical controller. it makes most sense to compare it to portable consoles. i would say that the wiiu gamepad is more comfortable to hold than a switch 2 or anything older.