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Mostly unrelated but the “Susie is half human” theory makes me so mad

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Mostly unrelated but the “Susie is half human” theory makes me so mad

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Originally posted by darkstar189:

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Mostly unrelated but the “Susie is half human” theory makes me so mad

fr

Thx for agreeing

Like the ONLY point of evidence is “there’s a random kid who asks if it hurts to be made of blood, that must mean no monsters have blood”
Ok well what if:
1) Their SPECIES has no blood?
2) What if they read (or misread) something about human and monster biology and missed the part that said monsters have blood?
3) I have a feeling that one Russian dude with the slime rancher pfp is gonna be here so no, it is very possible to be able to speak clearly and never have seen yourself bleed
4) idk man it makes me so annoyed because the one piece of evidence has so much against it

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Originally posted by darkstar189:

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Like the ONLY point of evidence is “there’s a random kid who asks if it hurts to be made of blood, that must mean no monsters have blood”
Ok well what if:
1) Their SPECIES has no blood?
2) What if they read (or misread) something about human and monster biology and missed the part that said monsters have blood?
3) I have a feeling that one Russian dude with the slime rancher pfp is gonna be here so no, it is very possible to be able to speak clearly and never have seen yourself bleed
4) idk man it makes me so annoyed because the one piece of evidence has so much against it

the rabbit is so small it is bloodless

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Ok well what if:
1) Their SPECIES has no blood?
2) What if they read (or misread) something about human and monster biology and missed the part that said monsters have blood?

Toby Fox couldn't have written this phrase just to confuse the players, in which case it would have been better if it hadn't been there at all. The only thing that could be true is that some monsters have blood and some don't, but that's a very far-fetched explanation.

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

3) I have a feeling that one Russian dude with the slime rancher pfp is gonna be here so no, it is very possible to be able to speak clearly and never have seen yourself bleed

I would say that this explanation is too unrealistic to be true.

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Like the ONLY point of evidence is “there’s a random kid who asks if it hurts to be made of blood, that must mean no monsters have blood”
4) idk man it makes me so annoyed because the one piece of evidence has so much against it

Toriel doesn't know exactly what blood looks like, as she doesn't clean up the bloodstain in Kris' room, Noelle probably doesn't know exactly what blood looks like, as she asks if the hearts doughnut filling is blood. in the whole story, only Susie mentions blood as something familiar (the juice reminds her of blood, the filling of the same donut, etc.)

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

1) Their SPECIES has no blood?
2) What if they read (or misread) something about human and monster biology and missed the part that said monsters have blood?
3) I have a feeling that one Russian dude with the slime rancher pfp is gonna be here so no, it is very possible to be able to speak clearly and never have seen yourself bleed
4) idk man it makes me so annoyed because the one piece of evidence has so much against it

their species is hinted at having blood with lancer being familiar with the concept along with king and with monsters being able to handle higher amounts of determination and unable to do magic in the light world also if we look at the first iteration of the weird route in chapter 4 when kris kris puts the thorn ring on noelle it originally showed a blood like splotch on a black background but after some controversy it was changed but since storywise it wasnt scrapped until after the release i would count it as half evidence

Originally posted by RF_Nate:

their species is hinted at having blood with lancer being familiar with the concept along with king and with monsters being able to handle higher amounts of determination and unable to do magic in the light world

and Lancer also knows that you need to press [C] to open the menu. Darkners are not real, they know what we expect them to know (like, if the outlet allegedly saw Kris open the fountain, then the darkner representing this outlet will know it), plus Kris could play with these cards. And Kris definitely has Blood.

Originally posted by RF_Nate:

also if we look at the first iteration of the weird route in chapter 4 when kris kris puts the thorn ring on noelle it originally showed a blood like splotch on a black background but after some controversy it was changed but since storywise it wasnt scrapped until after the release i would count it as half evidence

First of all: there was a fading rose in the original.
secondly: This is the same red dot that we see in the cutscene if we think about Noelle or at the end of the chapter, then this red dot is not blood, but a small soul that grows inside Noelle.

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Mostly unrelated but the “Susie is half human” theory makes me so mad

i don't like it because it's just such a reach that requires so many unsubstantiated assumptions to not fall apart, especially given how it also requires Sans to inexplicably be half-human in order to explain why he also bleeds in Undertale, despite there being no evidence of that either.

Originally posted by Rae:

Originally posted by Roaring Knight:

Mostly unrelated but the “Susie is half human” theory makes me so mad

i don't like it because it's just such a reach that requires so many unsubstantiated assumptions to not fall apart, especially given how it also requires Sans to inexplicably be half-human in order to explain why he also bleeds in Undertale, despite there being no evidence of that either.

I mean he’s a skeleton

He’s the most likely to bleed out of any of the monsters

If we use that logic though he’d be constantly bleeding because bone marrow is where red blood cells come from

Originally posted by Rae:

i don't like it because it's just such a reach that requires so many unsubstantiated assumptions to not fall apart

Well, actually... For any theory about blood from monsters, you need to make too many unfounded assumptions, we have too little information.

Originally posted by Rae:

especially given how it also requires Sans to inexplicably be half-human in order to explain why he also bleeds in Undertale, despite there being no evidence of that either.

Sans kind of got from Deltarune to Undertale, plus, he moved to hometown quite recently at the beginning of the game's action, so he could easily live in human society as a half-human.

I will defend "Susie is half human theory", "Dess is human theory," and so on, just because it's fun, the point is that if there were no other opinions, there would be no topics for discussion, so I'll take on the role of "villain" and become a devil's advocate =)

(I also personally believe in these theories, but I'm not sure if it's a consequence or a cause)

As Gerson said, predictability hurts history

Originally posted by кот-слизень:

Originally posted by Rae:

i don't like it because it's just such a reach that requires so many unsubstantiated assumptions to not fall apart

Well, actually... For any theory about blood from monsters, you need to make too many unfounded assumptions, we have too little information.

this one requires more unfounded cherry-picked assumptions than the others though. i don't believe in the "Sans and Susie were actually just leaking ketchup and red juice" theory, but at least that one actually does have the fact that they were explicitly shown drinking those substances before they got cut to back it up. meanwhile there's zero evidence of either Susie or Sans having a human parent.

Originally posted by кот-слизень:

Originally posted by Rae:

especially given how it also requires Sans to inexplicably be half-human in order to explain why he also bleeds in Undertale, despite there being no evidence of that either.

Sans kind of got from Deltarune to Undertale, plus, he moved to hometown quite recently at the beginning of the game's action, so he could easily live in human society as a half-human.

yes he almost certainly did come from Deltarune, but there's still no evidence to support the claim that he's half-human.

Originally posted by Rae:

Originally posted by кот-слизень:

Well, actually... For any theory about blood from monsters, you need to make too many unfounded assumptions, we have too little information.

this one requires more unfounded cherry-picked assumptions than the others though. i don't believe in the "Sans and Susie were actually just leaking ketchup and red juice" theory, but at least that one actually does have the fact that they were explicitly shown drinking those substances before they got cut to back it up. meanwhile there's zero evidence of either Susie or Sans having a human parent.

Yes, but the fact that Susie knows exactly what blood looks like, how to clean it, and she's not surprised that she has blood dismisses almost all other theories.

Originally posted by darkstar189:

it takes determination to make dark fountains (I think?)

I think that's enough to say the answer is: Yes. Undertale monsters simply can't handle Determination and Deltarune monsters are explicitly using it without personal harm.

Instead of a Human-Monster split for who has Determination, it's Lightner-Darkner.

plus, there are many hints that Susie lived in human society. she had no friends, she was constantly bullied, she is shy of her tail (given her long hair, she looks like an ordinary human from behind), she regards her teeth as weapons (other monsters don't do that, MK has spikes, Noelle has deer antlers (I know it's very far-fetched)), of all the children, she bullied Kris the most, she understood why Kris wore red horns.
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