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The TikTok CEO will also be sitting in the same row as Zuck, Musk, and Bezos.


I'd like to note that TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew, a former Goldman Sachs banker and venture capital investor, joined TikTok in March 2021. He is from Singaporean and is married to Vivian Kao, an American of Taiwanese descent.

Unlike Zuck, Musk, and Bezos, Chew did not found the company with which he is most associated, and his net worth is somewhat less than a billion dollars.


Facebook engineers on HN are not sending out C&Ds.


No, but:

> you are complicit in things like this by developing the technical infrastructure that makes it all possible


Contrary to what seems to be Google's belief, most websites are _not_ continuously deployed SPAs with a team of engineers who work on each release. The indifference shown to actual developers here is staggering.


Well said. It's stunning how ignorant Google is about the web. The vast majority of the web is old and poorly maintained or not maintained at all. It relies on things not breaking, web tech being backwards compatible.

This assumption that behind every website is a team of developers maintaining it for its entire lifecycle is a stubborn and elitist Google fantasy.


They're imperious, but never ignorant. A website without a team of maintainers is beneath their concern. What are you going to do, fax them a nastygram about it?


You're right, we can't do much about it. Even if a Google change harms a million people, they consider it peanuts.

Yet..."arrogance precedes the fall".

One day they will pay the price for their carelessness and harm, and I welcome that day.


Well, "Defence" would, as the intended product is not necessarily peace...


Defence, offense, it's really a matter of policy.


Same vibe from #43:

> Deficiencies do not make you special. The older you get, the more your inability to cook will be a red flag for people.


Freelance writers, both bloggers as well as longform investigative journalists.


I could see Jio making a play, especially with their recent injection(s) of capital.


The original goal of reducing news prevalence was to show less outrage/clickbait and show more friends and family content. Of course, hindsight shows that the move was of limited efficacy, but it's disingenuous to suggest that it was done in order to 'squeeze journalists'.


I don’t think harming journalists was the motive, but it was the outcome, and in hindsight it seems predictable. At least it should serve as a lesson to anyone who faces a similar decision in the future.


So is the lesson here “the media will destroy any social network that doesn’t feed the clickbait-outrage machine”? :(


I’m not sure. If Facebook had been more surgical to send less traffic to clickbait listicles, but more to Prestigious Investigative Journalists, would the outcome have been the same? Did the unemployed listicle authors find their passion and become serious journalists working the tech beat?


This is correct. Nothing overtly nefarious is happening here (above the baseline level of telling FB who your customers are in order to figure out how much ROI your campaign had).

> Facebook is effectively grading their own homework here and ignores other marketing campaigns that may have contributed to the action

One thing I'd add is that FB is _still_ incentivized to accurately attribute actions. Over-attribution (and thus over-estimation of ROI) would give FB more spend in the short term, but would hurt them in the long term by causing auction inefficiencies.

This is the reason direct action campaigns on Google are perceived to be low(er) value: last click attribution disproportionately favors AdWords.


Just reading this and the parent post it is still amazing to me how much effort we expend to attempt to force a sale/advertise. We’re even calling it “pay to acquire users”, you don’t earn your users anymore, you buy them. Entire, very wealthy, industries exist around this one concept that users don’t want but businesses just love. Ranting yes, but interesting still.


It's much more reminiscent of BB-style forums where moderators were part of the community and would explain their actions at the time of enforcement. This is unfortunately un-scalable, and so larger communities turn to strictly enforced rules with zero flexibility a la Reddit or moderation via machine classification like FB, Twitter, and YouTube.


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