I disagree with aspenmeyer violently on all those fairness issues that came up a few weeks ago in the similar discussion, but I think he‘s right with pushing back on this in general.

I am a very active HN user and was totally surprised by the declaration that submission bots are fine with you. It goes against pretty much all earlier communication (which, in fairness, was usually about comment bots), but I think in the past my submission behavior was repeatedly ruled okay when challenged by other users, because I‘m submitting manually.

I do feel I‘m losing interest a bit when we‘re all just firing scripts. Manual submission at least makes you care enough to spend those seconds, bot submissions mean nobody cares anymore because you can just fling shit and see what sticks. And maybe we high-volume submitters should even be reigned in more.

(Also it feels unfriendly towards lobste.rs, when HN is effectively just bulk copying their submissions.)

Thanks for this. I think you make good points, and I apologize if I came off as hostile toward you directly or indirectly in that other thread. The closest I have come to scripted submissions is using the HN provided bookmarklet, and even that felt like scripting to me. I'm not a purist about this, but the inconsistency feels strange to me too, and I would rather not have scripts be the primary posting or comment method, but please keep the faith with me here on HN.

If we don't make an effort and intention to care and stay here despite bad calls by refs, we'll just have to take our ball and go home, but for many, they don't have another home like HN, so that would be a net loss for them. We owe it to ourselves and each other to show up where we want to effect change that wouldn't happen without our presence and involvement. That's what user generated content is all about!

I don't know why this would matter, re: lobste.rs; it's two sites with the same remit and different groups of users, of course they're going to share stories.

It feels like this site can always use strong incentives for better, more informed, and more civil conversation in threads. But it doesn't need much incentive to get good stories posted; that happens organically.

The simplest solution here would be to eliminate "karma" outright.

I see a difference between the same set of stories being submitted organically, and one VC-driven site basically scraping the smaller site.

Eliminating karma is probably not a bad idea, I don‘t think it will stifle submissions, but it may improve commenting dynamics.

I don't see that distinction at all, for what it's worth, and while there are things I have liked about Lobste.rs, I don't think it's a more authentic community than this one. Either way, so long as there is karma, there's an arb to run between Lobste.rs and HN, and people are going to run it. Fighting it seems like a waste of energy.

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I like the Tuesday Rule.

It‘s academic jargon. Desiderata are often at the end of a paper, in the section „someone should investigate X, but I‘m moving on to the next funded project“.

Literally it means “things that we wish for”, from the latin verb “desiderare” (to wish).

> who don’t want English (or any language they already know) automatically translated into their native tongue.

It‘s even the other way around!

I‘m German, watching a German creator in a German-language recording.

Only that YouTube decides to use their Mickey Mouse sounding AI voice to deliver an English audio track. Not every time, but at least a third of the time. I have to hunt for the audio setting each time, because you cannot turn off AI voices permanently.

Tell me again how I‘m wrong.

When using Brave, the audio setting does not exist on the Youtube website. I have to go into iOS settings and change the language there. Unbelievable.

I only love it when their Mickey Mouse sounding AI voice turns ads into a real clown show.

Imagine how they spent big money developing a slogan for their brand or product and then AI comes around with a near literal translation that makes no sense whatsoever and that is what people hear.

That is the only positive side, otherwise it is what you wrote. A real pain.

Reminds me of when Amazon came to Sweden and had machine translated product names - including for movies and games.

A friend showed me that the latest game I had worked on was hilariously mistranslated. It's originally "Need For Speed: Payback" but got translated to "behöver du hastighet: återbetalning" which would be more like "do you need speed: reimbursement"

> I think something I’ve learned in this process is not to talk as much while it’s going on

No more off-the-cuff HN comments, it seems.

As a viewer from the sidelines, that’s kind of a bummer. It was fascinating to have that level of access to a slow moving car crash.

Jürgen Habermas had this to say about Luhmann‘s theory: "All of it is wrong, but it‘s got quality."

> some academic sociologist of old

> Never mind that those publications have practically zero impact on the field currently

You‘re so cool and edgy.

Luhmann is still one of the most cited, grappled-with and thought-about sociologist across a number of disciplines.

> Luhmann is still one of the most cited, grappled-with and thought-about sociologist across a number of disciplines.

Unfortunately (though I think this is a regional thing also - Luhmann's still pretty strong in Europe, especially in Germany where "systems theory" has become synonymous with Luhmann's systems theory, but not so much in the USA, I think).

One of the problems with Luhmann stems directly from his Zettelkasten: His tendency to tear citations out of their original contexts and name drop witnesses for his own point of views where the original text did not support his view at all.

You can see the system at work actually: He truly made a lot of stuff his own in ways never intended by the original authors - boon and bane at same time.

It‘s not unlimited.

I was hitting throttling a lot on the $100 plan, but I haven't been throttled even once on the $200. so for me it's pretty unlimited. haven't gotten past using two agents at a time, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.

> So while Munich was ruled by a single dynasty for centuries, Hamburg was more independent and focused on trade.

> There are also clear religious differences. Both cities were Catholic until the 16th century, but during the Reformation, Hamburg became Protestant.

Etc.

At this point not getting it seems willful.